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This is the second installment of my series on how some complementarians are using the Trinitarian doctrine to prop up a theology that makes male headship and female submission the divinely-mandated natural order of things. For a primer on what has been the traditional—dare I say “orthodox”—understanding of the Trinity, check out my previous post here.
In its simplest form, there are just two questions that need to be asked here. First, what does the idea that the Son is eternally subordinate to the Father do to the orthodox understanding of the Trinity? (and are we willing to go there?) Second, even if someone does subscribe to the eternal subordination of the Son, does it really have any ramifications for human gender roles?
While I was hoping to tackle this issue in just two posts, this is too important an issue to rush. For now, I’ll just be addressing the first of these issues. What, exactly, are the theological implications of eternal subordination of the Son?
Yes, I know this sounds heavy, but stay with me here. It’s not as convoluted as it sounds—and it’s really important stuff.
A Primer on Eternal Subordination of the Son
Anyone who’s read my blog for more than a few months knows that I am not afraid to engage new ideas if there’s enough biblical support (hence the word “ruthless” in the name of the blog). For example, I think Open Theism has a whole lot of scripture going for it, and I think Matthew 24 requires at least a partial preterist interpretation. Even I, however, am hesitant to make the move that people like Bruce Ware and Wayne Grudem seem to be making regarding the Trinity.
First of all, let’s clarify the difference between subordinationism and subordination. As David Congdon notes, the “ism” makes all the difference here. Subordinationism is an ancient heresy that claims that Jesus is a created being, making Him subordinate to the Father in an essentially ontological way. As far as I know, I don’t see anyone involved in this debate purposely going down that particular rabbit hole.
Eternal subordination, on the other hand, is the idea put forth by Ware and Grudem that the Son has submitted to the Father from eternity past and will continue to submit for all of eternity future. In a debate between Ware, Grudem, Tom McCall, and Keith Yandell at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School back in 2008, Grudem used Ephesians 1:3-5, Romans 8:29, and John 1:14 to argue that “The role of planning, purposing, predestining — the entire history of salvation — belongs to the Father, according to Scripture. There is no hint of any such authority for the Son with respect to the Father.”
And in a Paper submitted to the ETS back in 2006, Ware wrote:
I will defend the thesis that while Scripture clearly teaches, and the history of doctrine affirms, that the Father and Son are fully equal in their deity as each possesses fully the identically same divine nature, yet the eternal and inner-trinitarian Father-Son relationship is marked, among other things, by an authority and submission structure in which the Father is eternally in authority over the Son and the Son eternally in submission to his Father.
Ware refers to this as “an eternal and immutable authority-submission structure that marks the relationship of the Father and the Son.” And later in the paper, Ware explicitly clarifies how his Trinitarian theology supports a complementarian view of gender relations:
It is not difficult to understand why some find the Son’s eternal submission to the Father an objectionable concept. For if the Son eternally submits to the Father, this would indicate that authority and submission are eternal realities that are inherent in the intrinsic relations of the Persons of the Godhead. But if so, does it not stand to reason that when God creates the world that he would fashion the world in a way that pictures these eternal structures? Does it not make sense, then that the authority and submission structures in marriage and in church leadership are meant to be reflections of the authority and submission in the relations of the Persons of the Godhead?
The interesting thing about this view of the Godhead is how subtly and insidiously it has crept into the everyday language of some evangelicals—almost as if it’s always been there. In a post on The Gospel Coalition website, Joe Carter wrote that “Rachel Held Evans claims that complementarianism is patriarchy and here she stumbles upon the truth. She doesn’t appear to recognize, however, that the patriarchy of marriage models the patriarchy of the Godhead.”
The patriarchy of the Godhead? Really? Dianna Anderson’s response to this statement is worth reading. But I also have to ask myself that if Ware considers authority and submission “eternal realities” that God has “fashioned into the world,” and if Carter sees the Godhead as essentially patriarchal, what is keeping this paradigm solely within the bounds of gender relations? If this is a universal paradigm built into creation, couldn’t the same argument be used in support of specific forms of government, or even benign slavery? I’m not a fan of the slippery slope argument, but I see a giant waterslide here.
What is Really at Stake?
The bigger issue, however, is how this view of the relationship between God the Father and God the Son foundationally alters our understanding of the Trinity itself. In the last post, I described the traditional, orthodox, Nicene understanding of the Trinity as one in which one God with a single will exists simultaneously as three “persons” (to use the Nicene word).
However—and this, to me, seems to be the central issue—if the Son is eternally in submission to the Father, doesn’t that logically mean that they must have two separate wills, making them, essentially two separate entities? “Which,” as Phillip Cary says “is what the Nicene creed says they don’t have.”
Even way back in the 2008 debate, Keith Yandell summarized Ware and Grudem’s theology with this little bombshell:
The Son has as an essential property, being subordinate to the Father, and of course the Father lacks that property. So the Father has an essential property — a property that is part of the Father’s nature — that the Son does not have as part of the Son’s nature, and the Son has an essential property — a property that is part of the Son’s nature — that the Father does not have as part of the Father’s nature. This entails that the Father and the Son do not share the same nature after all.
Bruce McCormack went even further in his series of Kantzer Lectures in 2011. Although I haven’t listened to these lectures myself, Princeton Theological Seminary Students David Congdon and Kate Dugan both agree with McCormack that what the new subordinists are doing is appealing to what is called “social trinitarianism,” in which the Father, Son, and Spirit are three independent centers of consciousness with their own distinct intellect and wills. They still manage to be in communion, however, because they share the same essence and work together for a common purpose.
McCormack argues that the Nicene fathers saw the dangers of this view, realizing it was just a hop, skip, and a jump from social trinitarianism to tritheism (the belief in three gods). No wonder they worked so hard to emphasize the Triune unity of mind and will.
David Congdon even comes right out and says that “social trinitarianism is a disguised form of polytheism.”
In a sense, I agree with Congdon. I honestly don’t see how anyone can say that two or three entities who don’t share a common will are still one being. I just don’t. On the other hand, I also don’t think that any of the eternal subordinists think that that’s what they’re doing. Trying to comprehend how three “persons” can still be one God is just plain hard, and we’re all bound to tip the boat to one side or the other in our effort to maneuver it through the water.
Because I’m not afraid to consider any new idea if it can muster biblical support, I have to acknowledge that the scriptural evidence does provide at least some support for the eternal subordination of the Son. As my friend Stephen pointed out in the comments of the previous post, 1 Corinthians 15: 27-28 is probably one of the strongest of these.
However, in the end I cannot rectify the Son’s eternal submission to the Father (and the Spirit’s eternal submission to the Son, for that matter) with the concept of a single triune God. In my view, any authority/submission dynamic that is not temporary or, to use the theological term, “economic,” must, by definition, describe three separate beings.
Am I too committed to an orthodox understanding of the Trinity? Am I a fundamentalist as far as this is concerned? Possibly. (Although it would be really, really ironic to find myself on the conservative side of Wayne Grudem.)
But I’m OK with the paradox. What I’m not OK with is polytheism.
Stay tuned for the final post in which I come to the conclusion that using the Trinity to support any human social paradigm—whether complementarian or egalitarian—is just a bad idea.

Nicely done, Leslie, very deft. Looking forward to the next installment, and I’m really glad you are taking the time to handle this so carefully.
Tim
Leslie, this series is fantastic! Thanks for your hard work.
My brain is too fried this summer from a summer class to leave an intelligent comment (haha), but I’ve read both your articles and really appreciate you taking the time to research this issue and share it with us. Thanks! I have Erickson’s book on who is tampering with trinity, and have not read it yet. I’ll be moving it up in my stack! Look forward to your final post.
Laura,
I’ve never done much work on the Trinity before I started researching all this “eternal submissions stuff,” but Erickson’s book is on my list now too.
This is interesting reading…thanks for taking the time to delve into the various natures of the argument. I’m looking forward to the next segment as I’m not sure how an eternal view of trinitarian subordination is necessary for complementarians to use the Trinity as a “trump card” (I Cor. 11:3).
There is no submission in the Trinity. It is unity.
In the legal world, we have the “trinity” of Court/Judge/Court Order. Three entities, all known as “the Court.”
The Court existed from the beginning of time (at least to lawyers) and has all the powers of law and justice as defined by the Constitution. (The Father)
The Judge is the guy in black robes. The human incarnation of the Court. (The Son)
On the bench he IS the Court.
But he is also an ordinary attorney under those robes.
The Judge is fully an ordinary person and fully the Court.
The Judge took an oath to uphold the law. He is bound by this oath to follow the law. He cannot deviate from the purpose of the Court on his own initiative. (Or else the Court of Appeals will reverse him.)
This is an example of unity, not submission. The Judge and the Court are one.
Court Orders compel others to do the will of the Court. (Holy Spirit) They are issued by the Judge with the power of the Court. Court orders are issued under pain of contempt. Contempt of Court can get you thrown in jail. Contempt of the Holy Spirit can get you swallowed by a whale.
The correct analogy for complimentarianism is Christ and the Church. Ephesians 5:21-33. (Read the WHOLE thing from the RIGHT starting verse.) It is an example of mutual self-giving, which will properly mold itself not to some objective ideal , but to the complimentary qualities of each individual couple.
Just to clarify, it is not about either complimentarianism or egalitarianism. It is both/and.
The ideal is one of MUTUAL submission and self-giving. (That is why you start at verse 5:21, not 5:22.) The spouses are of equal dignity and worth in order to best make use of their complimentary individual strengths.
Mutual submission to mutual self-giving is love. Requiring submission to selfishness is slavery.
Lionel,
I’ve never heard the Court/Judge/Court Order analogy before. I’ll have to think about that one for a while.
It’s also always been my understanding that there is no submission in the Trinity other than the temporary/economic submission of Jesus in his role in salvation.
I also agree that for both complementarians & egalitarians the analogy of Christ, His church, and mutual submission has more biblical support than trying to use the Trinity as a paradigm for authority/subordination.
Thanks for commenting.
Interesting, heady stuff and I appreciate the thoughtfulness with which you write about it. A couple musings — can’t the Son be submissive to the Father AND equal to the Father, but which that is depends on what’s going on or the aspect of the relationship in question? I think there’s Biblical authority (which I don’t have at my fingertips at the moment) to back up that he’s both always submissive to the Father in certain arenas, yet always completely equal.
Does submissive have to mean not equal to or of a different will? I’d argue no.
While the submissiveness of the Son in the Trinity can be used to support complementarianism, I hesitate to limit the scope of the submissiveness of the Son to just gender roles, and similarly hesitate to accuse one of focusing on this submissive aspect of using it to argue for the submission of women unless they’re doing so explicitly. I think the incredible and mysterious workings within the relationship of the Trinity, specifically the submissiveness of the Son, has many teachings for the body of Christ generally and how we can and should relate to one another that go far beyond being a complementarian trump card.
Ann,
Your comment touches on several important issues. The traditional view of the Trinity has always been that the Son is subordinate to the Father “economically,” which basically means that he become subordinate temporarily for the purpose of carrying out the plan of salvation. So, you’re right that there are scripture verses that say this.
If it’s this temporary subordination that you’re talking about, I’d agree that it does not make the Son unequal or of a different will (which again, would be considered traditional Trinitarian doctrine). The issue is whether ETERNAL/PERMANENT submission (which is what Ware is talking about in the quote above) leaves room for Father & Son to still be of once essence and one will. I suggest that it does not, although there are people (like Ware & Grudem) who think it does.
I think it’s also clear in the quote from Ware that he is making a direct connection between the eternal submission of the Son and female submission in marriage. There are also many other examples of theologians who make the same explicit connection that I simply didn’t have the space to include.
I absolutely agree with you that the workings of the Trinity are wonderful mystery that we will never fully be able to comprehend-which is probably one reason why churches spend so little time talking about it.
Thanks for your very thoughtful comment!
Excellent work on the Trinity. Thanks. As for Father / Son submission, Calvin did not think so:
“But the clearest explanation is given by John [1:1-14], when he states that the Word—which was from the beginning, God and with God, was, together with God the Father, the maker of all things. For he both attributes a substantial and permanent essence to the Word, assigning to it a certain peculiarity, and distinctly showing how God spoke the world into being.” [Inst. 1.13.7]
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.iii.xiv.html
Hi Leslie,
I am glad that you are taking this on. I have written some thoughts on this here.
http://bltnotjustasandwich.com/2012/08/02/ets-the-trinity-and-basic-literacy-2/
Great post Suzanne! Thanks for the heads up.
I have done some further reading and clarified a few things that were in my previous post,
http://bltnotjustasandwich.com/2012/08/03/ets-and-the-trinity-cont-potentia-and-potestas/
My investigation continues,
http://bltnotjustasandwich.com/2012/08/03/ets-and-the-trinity-the-case-for-potestas/
Its evolving as I write, so sometimes I backtrack on earlier arguments.
I do the same thing. Keep sending me the updates and I’ll keep reading.
http://bltnotjustasandwich.com/2012/08/17/ets-and-the-trinity-more-creeds-and-more-languages/
This is a further post in the series. I hope that it can help women attending ETS.